Please check out an article in the afaJournal, April 2014 edition, pg. 22 - 23 (www.afajournal.org)
Creation? Nye says nay ...Ham credits 'I AM'
by Teddy James
For Ken Ham, founder of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum, the
much-anticipated debate with the noted scientist Bill Nye "The Science
Guy" began long before the two stood in front of a sold out audience and
millions of online viewers. Ham hosted a meeting with members of the
press 60 minutes before the debate. Reporters took the opportunity to
question him about creation science and his motives behind the timing of
the debate.
"Some have said it's not coincidental
that this debate comes as you are seeing funding deadlines for your Ark
Park project," one reporter said.
"How do you
answer all the dating tests that show rocks and trees are older than
your purported age of the earth," another pressed.
Ham answered each question with humility and candor, even getting many
of those present to laugh by saying that they were making him let the
cat out of the bag before the main event.
Clash of Ideas
When both scientists made it to the Creation Museum stage in
Petersburg, Kentucky, moderator Tom Foreman explained the central
question for discussion: "Is creation a viable model of origins in
today's modern scientific era?" He then described the debate's format.
Each man would have 5 minutes for opening remarks, 30 minutes to
present his beliefs, 5 minutes for rebuttal, another 5 minutes for a
counter rebuttal, then 45 minutes of answering questions from the
audience.
During his opening remarks, Ham drew a
distinction between observational or operational science and historical
science. Observational science is what scientists use to experiment,
innovate, invent and build. Historical science, in Ham's view, is what
scientists do to understand what happened in the past. His assertion
was that scientists have many assumptions about the past, and if those
assumptions are founded in evolution, then the assumptions and thus the
conclusions, are unreliable and wrong.
There
appeared to be mutual respect between the debaters with Nye even
thanking Ham after his 30 minute presentation saying, "i really learned
something." However, his gracious attitude abruptly disappeared.
Nye quickly made a distinction between scientists who follow Ham's
dichotomy of the sciences and those who do not. He said, "There is no
distinction made between historical science and observational science.
Those are constructs unique to Mr. Ham." He proceeded with frequent
references to mainstream scientists, "outside" the Creation Museum, and
therefore outside Ham's belief system.
Nye later
exemplified his view of the Bible saying, "I understand that you take
the Bible, as written in English, translated many, many times over the
last three millennia to be a more accurate, more reasonable assessment
of the natural laws we see around us than what I and everybody in here
can observe. That to me, is unsettling."
Clash of worldviews
His unsettling is easy to explain. The debate centered on evolution
versus creation on its surface, but at its core, it was a clash of
worldviews. Ham bases his worldview and his view of origins on the
Bible. Nye bases his worldview and his view of the origins on the
material world and evidence he can see and touch. Consequently, the two
have little room for agreement.
Ham believes the
earth is 6,000 years old. He said, "Creation is the only viable model
of historical science confirmed by observational science in today's
modern scientific era." He later asserted that observational science
must logically borrow from a creationist worldview in order to make
discoveries and innovations.
This was followed by a
question asking Ham whether he interprets the Bible literally. "I
interpret the Bible naturally," he answered. "If a passage is written
as historical narrative, as Genesis is, you take it as history. If it's
poetry, as we find in the Psalms, you take it as poetry."
Nye responded: "It sounds to me that there (are) certain parts of this
document, of the Bible, that you embrace literally and other parts you
consider poetry. So it sounds to me like you're going to take what you
like and interpret it literally and other passages you're going to
interpret as poetic or descriptions of human events. All that aside,
I'll just say scientifically, or as a reasonable man, it doesn't seem
possible that when all these things that contradict your literal
interpretation of those first few passages, all those things contradict
that, I find that unsettling."
Nye insisted that
creationism is not only wrong but also backward. "What keeps the United
States ahead, what makes the United States a world leader is our
technology," he said. "If we continue to eschew science, and try to
divide science between observational science and historical science, we
are going to move forward. We will not embrace natural laws. We will
not make discoveries. We will not invent."
Clash of beliefs
It was the belief in the "danger" of creationism that initially brought
Nye to Kentucky. In his closing remarks, he said, "I want to close by
reminding everybody what's at stake here. If we abandon all that we
learned ... if we abandon the process by which we know it ... if we stop
looking for the next answer, we in the United States will be
out-competed by other countries, other economies. That would be okay, I
guess, but I was born here, I'm a patriot, and so we have to embrace
science education. We have to keep science education in science
classes."
Post-debate, much of the media seemed to
agree with Nye. In Ham's native Australia, Brisbane Times apologized
to Kentucky with acerbic mockery: "Well this is embarrassing ... I'm
sorry Kentucky. We could have kept (Ham) here, you know. We have a
large containment facility where we store all of our Ken Hams. ... I'm
not sure how Ham got out of the Queensland high school system where [he]
has been teaching - ahem - science, and made his way to your fair
shores."
Other news sources and websites joined in
the ridicule of Ham, his beliefs about the authority of Scripture, and
anyone who shares his views.
However the criticism
failed to discourage Ham. In a post-debate interview on the Answers in
Genesis YouTube channel, he declared the winner of the debate to be
God's Word, which he invoked numerous times. In at least three of those
mentions, the estimated five million people who watched the debate live
on the Internet heard Ham clearly identify Jesus Christ as Savior of
mankind.
And that good news is not debatable.
end of story ...... (or is it?)
The Holy Scriptures tell us about our Creator Lord, and how we
humans are created by our Creator Lord, in His image, and how we should
value life, and how we should protect and support life, and how the good
Lord, our Creator Lord loves us tat he sent His only begotten Son Jesus
into this world to shed His blood and to die on the cross for us
sinners, so that we might have eternal life. The Holy Scriptures are
pure, perfect, powerful, profitable for doctrine and teaching, and
cannot be broken!
The Good News:
The
good Lord, our Creator Lord, loves us that He sent his only Begotten
Son Jesus into this world to shed His blood and to die for us sinners,
so that we might have eternal life!
5/10/14
Did the Messiah, the Holy One of Israel, evolve from a lower life form???
Ask
an evolutionist if whether he believes that all those (beings) that have walked
the earth (past and present) had evolved from a lower life form
(did the Messiah [Jesus] evolve from a lower life form??? No way - He was full
of grace and truth - the Word made flesh, the Light of the World, our
Rock, our Shield, our Fortress, our Redeemer, our Salvation, our Atonement!!!)
Of angels, miracles, and bad angels (demons):
There are some people among us who don't believe in the supernatural,
only the natural. What these people miss is self-evident. Not all beings
on earth, however, are human - some are angels. You have evolutionists
who believe that a Creator didn't create the universe, or perform
miracles - again, ask an evolutionist whether the Messiah did indeed
perform miracles, or when miracles occurred throughout history (Moses
and the parting of the sea, and the ten plagues, and many more!) - what
were the cause of them? They will not be
able to answer how angels (both good and bad) "evolved". They will not
be able to answer how the Messiah "evolved" (or why the Messiah came to
earth). They will not be able to answer how the head of the demons
(Satan, or the Devil) "evolved". They will not answer how the miracles,
that have taken place, that our Creator Lord have done, did take place.
Those people who do not believe in
the supernatural have not seen what is self-evident. They do not
realize that angels (both good and bad) are among us. [It is interesting
to note that even the demons believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob (the Great I AM) - and the demons shudder]. We should pray that the good Lord,
our Creator Lord, opens
the eyes of the people who do not see, that they should see. We not only
have to battle the sin within us, and not be corrupted (polluted) by
the world, but also to resist the Devil and his angels. Of course, the
Messiah did not "evolve", nor did the angels (good and bad), and neither
did the head
of the bad angels "evolve". The Messiah did come to earth for a reason.
I have worked along side of angels, and have lived along side of angels
(some good and some bad). The Messiah came to the earth, from above,
to shed His blood for us sinners, so that we might have eternal life.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life
(John 3:16).
We love, because He first loved us. (1John 4:19)
Love does no harm to his neighbor, therefore, love is the fulfilling of the Law.
Jesus is the Holy One of Israel!!!
Please remember that we humans are created by our Creator Lord, in His image, with inalienable rights!
Please remember that we humans are more than flesh and blood.
All glory, honor, praise, and thanks be to our Creator Lord - maker of heaven and earth - Messiah and King!!!!!
How about justice for the unborn children??? Let's seek justice for the unborn children - the preborn children!!!!!
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